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Another bogus argument. Clever but still fallacious. Preventing someone from murdering an innocent human is not the same as forcing them to do something. The fundamental purpose of the government is to protect our rights, all of us and all our rights, life being the most basic. Allowing nature to run its course, even if that means carrying a pregnancy to term, is not forcing anything upon someone.

In the final analysis it's about taking responsibility for one's actions and accepting the consequences of poor choices.

Again, let me be very clear:

THERE IS NO LEGITIMATE JUSTIFICATION FOR KILLING THE INNOCENT.

There is no argument anyone could make to change that. Abortion is barbaric & evil. Period.

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What if say in a hypothetical God tells you to kill your innocent child? Legit?

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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historian said:

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Another bogus argument. Clever but still fallacious. Preventing someone from murdering an innocent human is not the same as forcing them to do something. The fundamental purpose of the government is to protect our rights, all of us and all our rights, life being the most basic. Allowing nature to run its course, even if that means carrying a pregnancy to term, is not forcing anything upon someone.

In the final analysis it's about taking responsibility for one's actions and accepting the consequences of poor choices.

Again, let me be very clear:

THERE IS NO LEGITIMATE JUSTIFICATION FOR KILLING THE INNOCENT.

There is no argument anyone could make to change that. Abortion is barbaric & evil. Period.

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Abortion has existed as long as mankind. You writing your opinion in capital letters, while impressive and dramatic, dioesnt change the fact that you cant make decisions for others. You can take away a safe way and condemn them to knitting needles , wire hangers, caustic drinks or excessive exercise. I made my choice and I am happy with it. I chose life.

It is a personal decision and no matter how intensely you want to force others to believe as you believe, you cant. We cant make a woman continue through a pregnancy she doesnt want. Only a woman can do that. We can condemn them, torture them, make them look at gross pics, march in parades shouting personal beliefs, fine drs that help them, pass laws till we run out of paper. Abortion will happen. It happened in 1550 BC and it will happen somewhere today.

We can pray. We can help the women that feel they dont have a choice. We can shame women that get pregnant without the means to care for it. We can ridicule women that hook up with sorry ass men that wont take responsibility for their part .in creating an embryo. But in the end we cant force a woman to have a baby.

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murder, theft, rape,... all have existed as long as mankind too... does that make them OK as well? Should we try to insure safe & effective rape too?

Just because something horrible has existed for forever... that doesn't make it good or something that should continue.

The Bible speaks out and condemns rape murder and theft. Even though it existed in Biblical times the Bible doesnt condemn abortion. Exodus 21 seems to suggest the mothers life is much more valuable than the embryo. This doest support the recently adopted life begins at conceotion

Its not a pleasant topic. I am against it but dont feel comfortable telling a woman what to do with her body. Its really her decision. Always has been. I wish the world was a better place where all babies were welcomed and all mothers and fathers welcomed new offspring. Thats not reality.

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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historian said:

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Another bogus argument. Clever but still fallacious. Preventing someone from murdering an innocent human is not the same as forcing them to do something. The fundamental purpose of the government is to protect our rights, all of us and all our rights, life being the most basic. Allowing nature to run its course, even if that means carrying a pregnancy to term, is not forcing anything upon someone.

In the final analysis it's about taking responsibility for one's actions and accepting the consequences of poor choices.

Again, let me be very clear:

THERE IS NO LEGITIMATE JUSTIFICATION FOR KILLING THE INNOCENT.

There is no argument anyone could make to change that. Abortion is barbaric & evil. Period.

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Abortion has existed as long as mankind. You writing your opinion in capital letters, while impressive and dramatic, dioesnt change the fact that you cant make decisions for others. You can take away a safe way and condemn them to knitting needles , wire hangers, caustic drinks or excessive exercise. I made my choice and I am happy with it. I chose life.

It is a personal decision and no matter how intensely you want to force others to believe as you believe, you cant. We cant make a woman continue through a pregnancy she doesnt want. Only a woman can do that. We can condemn them, torture them, make them look at gross pics, march in parades shouting personal beliefs, fine drs that help them, pass laws till we run out of paper. Abortion will happen. It happened in 1550 BC and it will happen somewhere today.

We can pray. We can help the women that feel they dont have a choice. We can shame women that get pregnant without the means to care for it. We can ridicule women that hook up with sorry ass men that wont take responsibility for their part .in creating an embryo. But in the end we cant force a woman to have a baby.

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All kinds of barbarism has existed throughout human history that doesn't make any of it justifiable.

Killing innocent humans is always wrong, regardless of circumstances. There is no way to excuse it, justify it, or legitimize it. It's the difference between being civilized & uncivilized. Such heinous crimes should always be punished. Instead, there are Americans arguing they have a "right" to kill their children. This neo-paganism illustrates how far into depravity our society has fallen.

It's still evil.

"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter." Isaiah 5:20

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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The Bible speaks out and condemns rape murder and theft. Even though it existed in Biblical times the Bible doesnt condemn abortion. Exodus 21 seems to suggest the mothers life is much more valuable than the embryo. This doest support the recently adopted life begins at conceotion

Its not a pleasant topic. I am against it but dont feel comfortable telling a woman what to do with her body. Its really her decision. Always has been. I wish the world was a better place where all babies were welcomed and all mothers and fathers welcomed new offspring. Thats not reality.

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The Bible absolutely does condemn abortion in no uncertain terms:

"Thou shall not kill." Exodus 20:13

There is nothing ambiguous about that.

And don't tell me a baby in the womb is not human. That's patently false and definitely unscientific. Also, don't waste your effort with red herrings, straw men, or any other fallacies. They prove nothing except the emptiness of efforts to defend evil.

The very same book says its ok to kill a thief in the dark but not after sunrise. I dont like to argue with people that cherry pick verses. Look at the big picture.

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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The Bible speaks out and condemns rape murder and theft. Even though it existed in Biblical times the Bible doesnt condemn abortion. Exodus 21 seems to suggest the mothers life is much more valuable than the embryo. This doest support the recently adopted life begins at conceotion

Its not a pleasant topic. I am against it but dont feel comfortable telling a woman what to do with her body. Its really her decision. Always has been. I wish the world was a better place where all babies were welcomed and all mothers and fathers welcomed new offspring. Thats not reality.

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Let me get this straight...

The same God that said to Jeremiah, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart"... is totally cool with people intentionally killing unborn babies in the womb??

What god do you pray to? Certainly not the Creator of the universe.

KaiBear said:

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Practicing Christians, the birthday girl announced her support of abortion.

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So, not practicing Christians.

"The second commandment of the teaching: You shall not murder. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not seduce boys. You shall not commit fornication. You shall not steal. You shall not practice magic. You shall not use potions. You shall not procure [an] abortion, nor destroy a newborn child" (Didache 2:12 [A.D. 70]).

The Teaching of the Twelve predates the completed canon of scripture by several hundred years, and pretty well nails Christian morality.

ShooterTX said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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The Bible speaks out and condemns rape murder and theft. Even though it existed in Biblical times the Bible doesnt condemn abortion. Exodus 21 seems to suggest the mothers life is much more valuable than the embryo. This doest support the recently adopted life begins at conceotion

Its not a pleasant topic. I am against it but dont feel comfortable telling a woman what to do with her body. Its really her decision. Always has been. I wish the world was a better place where all babies were welcomed and all mothers and fathers welcomed new offspring. Thats not reality.

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Let me get this straight...

The same God that said to Jeremiah, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart"... is totally cool with people intentionally killing unborn babies in the womb??

What god do you pray to? Certainly not the Creator of the universe.

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Not to mention parts of Psalm 139.

Those who support abortion are more like Herod, who ordered all the babies in Bethlehem murdered, than they are like Jesus or any other leader of the first century church. None of them advocating killing the innocent.

Abortion is infanticide, plain & simple. Curious that some modern pro-abortion people are calling for "post-birth abortion". That is a convenient euphemism for infanticide that demonstrates how the two are the same. It's just like those trying yo legitimize pedophilia use "minor-attracted persons" to cover up their perversion. Either way, the doublespeak does not hide the evil. It's demonic.

Jim wards granddaughter? Poor little girl. I feel for her.