EatMoreSalmon said:

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The collapse of the UMC continues. Those congregations who walk this path risk having their lamp stands removed.

Revelation 2:5

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They already have had their lamps removed. God has "given them up" to the lust of their hearts and dishonorable passions, as well as to a degenerate, reprobate mind. (Romans 1:24-32)

Coke Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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No sins were repealed. However homosexuality is not a sin.

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You are kinda correct.

Having a disordered desire like Same-Sex Attraction is not a sin. "Homosexuality is not a 'discorded desire.' It is quite natural as indicated by the AMA, APA (psychologists) AAP (Psychiatrist)
Anti-intellectual and reject the sciences then there is no dialogue.

Engaging in SSA acts/behaviors absolutely is a mortal sin and can lead to Hell, if not repented.

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Engaging in SSA acts/behaviors outside of marriage is a sin.

With the advent of the Enlightenment and, particularly, the scientific age the notion of Hell and eternal damnation dropped away. Beginning with Newton the idea of the universe as a mechanism governed by a few simpleand discoverablelaws had a subversive effect on the concepts of a personal God and individual salvation that were central to Christianity. Priests and preachers could no longer threaten pew sitters with Hell. They certainly don't preach it. They don't scare people any more because the pew sitter knows just enough science and reason to reject the idea of Hell.

Waco1947 said:

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Engaging in SSA acts/behaviors PERIOD is a sin.

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FIFY

5 out of 9 people changed the true definition of marriage that has been universally accepted for more than 4000 years and even outside of the Judaeo-Christian culture.

It does mean that they were right.

Waco1947 said:

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With the advent of the Enlightenment and, particularly, the scientific age the notion of Hell and eternal damnation dropped away. Beginning with Newton the idea of the universe as a mechanism governed by a few simpleand discoverablelaws had a subversive effect on the concepts of a personal God and individual salvation that were central to Christianity. Priests and preachers could no longer threaten pew sitters with Hell. They certainly don't preach it. They don't scare people any more because the pew sitter knows just enough science and reason to reject the idea of Hell.

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God bless your heart. Please know that I do pray for you daily. It's almost as if you are saying that science has proven that He'll doesn't exist. That concept is not biblical nor in accordance with what Jesus taught.

Forgive my ignorance, I just don't get the connection in your paragraph here.

Waco1947 said:

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Coke Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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No sins were repealed. However homosexuality is not a sin.

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You are kinda correct.

Having a disordered desire like Same-Sex Attraction is not a sin. "Homosexuality is not a 'discorded desire.' It is quite natural as indicated by the AMA, APA (psychologists) AAP (Psychiatrist)
Anti-intellectual and reject the sciences then there is no dialogue.

Engaging in SSA acts/behaviors absolutely is a mortal sin and can lead to Hell, if not repented.

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Engaging in SSA acts/behaviors outside of marriage is a sin.

With the advent of the Enlightenment and, particularly, the scientific age the notion of Hell and eternal damnation dropped away. Beginning with Newton the idea of the universe as a mechanism governed by a few simpleand discoverablelaws had a subversive effect on the concepts of a personal God and individual salvation that were central to Christianity. Priests and preachers could no longer threaten pew sitters with Hell. They certainly don't preach it. They don't scare people any more because the pew sitter knows just enough science and reason to reject the idea of Hell.

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stop digging

Waco1947 said:

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Coke Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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No sins were repealed. However homosexuality is not a sin.

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You are kinda correct.

Having a disordered desire like Same-Sex Attraction is not a sin. "Homosexuality is not a 'discorded desire.' It is quite natural as indicated by the AMA, APA (psychologists) AAP (Psychiatrist)
Anti-intellectual and reject the sciences then there is no dialogue.

Engaging in SSA acts/behaviors absolutely is a mortal sin and can lead to Hell, if not repented.

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Engaging in SSA acts/behaviors outside of marriage is a sin.

With the advent of the Enlightenment and, particularly, the scientific age the notion of Hell and eternal damnation dropped away. Beginning with Newton the idea of the universe as a mechanism governed by a few simpleand discoverablelaws had a subversive effect on the concepts of a personal God and individual salvation that were central to Christianity. Priests and preachers could no longer threaten pew sitters with Hell. They certainly don't preach it. They don't scare people any more because the pew sitter knows just enough science and reason to reject the idea of Hell.


At their eternal peril

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KaiBear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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whitetrash said:

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Waco1947 said:

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whitetrash said:

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Did they repeal any other sins?

Avarice?
Gluttony?
False Idols?

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No sins were repealed. However homosexuality is not a sin.

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Because you just voted to repeal it.

Sodomie Uber alles!!!

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I repeat homosexuality is not a sin.

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In both the Old Testament and New Testament the Bible repeatedly makes it clear that the practice of homosexuality is a sin.

On many previous occasions various posters have quoted you the various passages.

You simply ignore the evidence.

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"If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godl
iness is a means to financial gain"
1 Tim. 6:3-5

JXL said:

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https://babylonbee.com/news/missionaries-travel-from-africa-to-reach-the-united-methodist-church/

Missionaries Travel From Africa To Bring The Gospel To United Methodist Church
WORLDVIEWS

May 2, 2024 BabylonBee.com
Article Image

U.S. A group of devout Christian missionaries has arrived all the way from Africa to reach the United Methodist Church and tell them about the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Upon hearing of the UMC's beliefs on life and social issues, a group of African believers felt a strong prodding from the Holy Spirit to venture into an entirely foreign culture and bring the Gospel to a dark and godless place.


"If we do not go, who will?" asked Abosede Adeyemi, a Nigerian Christian burdened to reach lost Americans. "These United Methodists are in urgent need of the Good News. It appears they have never read a Bible before. That is why we are launching a mission deep into the heart of the United States to tell them about Jesus Christ."

Adeyemi's church held several nights of prayer and fasting in preparation for sending off the team of missionaries. "God be with them," said church member Davu Negedu. "America is a dangerous, unpredictable place, but the Lord has commanded us to go into all the world and preach the Gospel, so we will send these people to the United Methodist Church to teach them what the Bible says."

Though the church had concerns about the missionaries' safety in the United States, everyone was joyful in fulfilling Christ's Great Commission, even to the unchurched masses of the United Methodist Church.

At publishing time, the African church was already preparing another missionary trip to take the Gospel to Andy Stanley.

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It's not even parody…it's real life

A man warns the United Methodists they are breaking the tradition of the church to conform to "local traditions" by redefining marriage.

"In my country, Sierra Leone, we see graves of people who have given their lives to maintaining the tradition of the church." pic.twitter.com/7Y9LYXlOXk

— Dope Preacher Clips (@WPCButGoodGuys) May 3, 2024

Waco1947 said:

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whitetrash said:

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Waco1947 said:

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whitetrash said:

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Did they repeal any other sins?

Avarice?
Gluttony?
False Idols?

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No sins were repealed. However homosexuality is not a sin.

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Because you just voted to repeal it.

Sodomie Uber alles!!!

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I repeat homosexuality is not a sin.

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Repeat that lie all you want. Look at how well it has worked for the Great Deceiver.

Redbrickbear said:

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JXL said:

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https://babylonbee.com/news/missionaries-travel-from-africa-to-reach-the-united-methodist-church/

Missionaries Travel From Africa To Bring The Gospel To United Methodist Church
WORLDVIEWS

May 2, 2024 BabylonBee.com
Article Image

U.S. A group of devout Christian missionaries has arrived all the way from Africa to reach the United Methodist Church and tell them about the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Upon hearing of the UMC's beliefs on life and social issues, a group of African believers felt a strong prodding from the Holy Spirit to venture into an entirely foreign culture and bring the Gospel to a dark and godless place.


"If we do not go, who will?" asked Abosede Adeyemi, a Nigerian Christian burdened to reach lost Americans. "These United Methodists are in urgent need of the Good News. It appears they have never read a Bible before. That is why we are launching a mission deep into the heart of the United States to tell them about Jesus Christ."

Adeyemi's church held several nights of prayer and fasting in preparation for sending off the team of missionaries. "God be with them," said church member Davu Negedu. "America is a dangerous, unpredictable place, but the Lord has commanded us to go into all the world and preach the Gospel, so we will send these people to the United Methodist Church to teach them what the Bible says."

Though the church had concerns about the missionaries' safety in the United States, everyone was joyful in fulfilling Christ's Great Commission, even to the unchurched masses of the United Methodist Church.

At publishing time, the African church was already preparing another missionary trip to take the Gospel to Andy Stanley.

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It's not even parody…it's real life

A man warns the United Methodists they are breaking the tradition of the church to conform to "local traditions" by redefining marriage.

"In my country, Sierra Leone, we see graves of people who have given their lives to maintaining the tradition of the church." pic.twitter.com/7Y9LYXlOXk

— Dope Preacher Clips (@WPCButGoodGuys) May 3, 2024

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In just a few short years (or maybe even now), the majority of people in America who claim the label of Christian, will have nothing to do with the Bible or the true teachings of Christ. They will claim Christianity, but adhere to the most unbiblical & anti-Christ ideologies available. In other words, they will all be just like Waco47.

Mothra said:

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Waco1947 said:

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whitetrash said:

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Waco1947 said:

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whitetrash said:

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Did they repeal any other sins?

Avarice?
Gluttony?
False Idols?

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No sins were repealed. However homosexuality is not a sin.

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Because you just voted to repeal it.

Sodomie Uber alles!!!

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I repeat homosexuality is not a sin.

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Repeat that lie all you want. Look at how well it has worked for the Great Deceiver.

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Yea

Waco can keeping saying "pride is not a sin" or "adultery is not a sin" or "greed is not a sin"

But of course reaping lies does not make them truth.

And God hates false spiritual teachers and those who harm children the most….those are two things you certainly don't want to be found guilty of on judgement day

ShooterTX said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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JXL said:

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https://babylonbee.com/news/missionaries-travel-from-africa-to-reach-the-united-methodist-church/

Missionaries Travel From Africa To Bring The Gospel To United Methodist Church
WORLDVIEWS

May 2, 2024 BabylonBee.com
Article Image

U.S. A group of devout Christian missionaries has arrived all the way from Africa to reach the United Methodist Church and tell them about the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Upon hearing of the UMC's beliefs on life and social issues, a group of African believers felt a strong prodding from the Holy Spirit to venture into an entirely foreign culture and bring the Gospel to a dark and godless place.


"If we do not go, who will?" asked Abosede Adeyemi, a Nigerian Christian burdened to reach lost Americans. "These United Methodists are in urgent need of the Good News. It appears they have never read a Bible before. That is why we are launching a mission deep into the heart of the United States to tell them about Jesus Christ."

Adeyemi's church held several nights of prayer and fasting in preparation for sending off the team of missionaries. "God be with them," said church member Davu Negedu. "America is a dangerous, unpredictable place, but the Lord has commanded us to go into all the world and preach the Gospel, so we will send these people to the United Methodist Church to teach them what the Bible says."

Though the church had concerns about the missionaries' safety in the United States, everyone was joyful in fulfilling Christ's Great Commission, even to the unchurched masses of the United Methodist Church.

At publishing time, the African church was already preparing another missionary trip to take the Gospel to Andy Stanley.

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It's not even parody…it's real life

A man warns the United Methodists they are breaking the tradition of the church to conform to "local traditions" by redefining marriage.

"In my country, Sierra Leone, we see graves of people who have given their lives to maintaining the tradition of the church." pic.twitter.com/7Y9LYXlOXk

— Dope Preacher Clips (@WPCButGoodGuys) May 3, 2024

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They will claim Christianity, but adhere to the most unbiblical & anti-Christ ideologies available. In other words, they will all be just like Waco47.

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Waco47 would remain far mor erratic and extreme than most.

Oh yes, we will be called a 'dead-sect', 'heretical'; some people will be harsh and others dismissive. They will point to a handful of scriptures, strung together to make their argument. All new beginnings are filled with critics longing for the good ole days back in Egypt.

It takes courage to move forward and begin again. Our faith will be questioned and we will be threatened with the fires of hell. We must remember such things are nothing new at all.

When we stood against slavery the same invectives were hurled against us, and the Bible was 'clearly' quoted to us. When we ordained women we were told such a thing was a biblical heresy. Our struggle for civil rights and to slay that evil called Jim Crow and Segregation wasn't simply met with fire hoses and dogs, no, we were told we were destroying a 'Godly' nation.

Wesley too, was told, if he preached to the masses out in the fields it would be a vile thing. The church of his day had grown cold and insular. It was a religion of creeds and doctrines, not of love and people. So Wesley, 'submitted to be more vile', and took the Gospel to those fields were the dregs of society were and he loved like Jesus loved.

Jesus as well was criticized for breaking bread with sinners, tax collectors, and prostitutes. The religious people of his day did not like that at all, and they trotted out their favorite bible verses to condemn him.

So hold your head high United Methodists, we are doing the serious work of God, the one Jesus commanded us to do -- to love one another and welcome all. We weren't given the keys to the kingdom to be gatekeepers but to be gate-crashers. Our work is not done until all are welcomed home. Let us never be like the elder brother resentful of such welcome. Let us be like Wesley and be a little vile in how we share the love of God with all folks. Let us be like Jesus and tell the world, 'Neither do we condemn you', and love them anyway.

Let's continue walking humbly with God, fulfilling the work of justice and showing kindness and compassion to all. There will always be the condemners and the critics; they long not for the new promise but for days that never should have existed. Just bless their hearts as they seek their Egypts; we are still traveling on to the Kingdom. Blake